Is the Holocaust fading from living memory—and if so, what are the consequences?

In this sobering and historically grounded conversation, Dru Johnson speaks with longtime Jerusalem resident and Anglican rector David Pileggi about why the Holocaust must be understood not merely as Jewish history, but as a defining event in modern human history. Pileggi argues that the Holocaust was not simply a tragic episode within World War II—it was central to the war’s origins and its catastrophic consequences.

Drawing on Christopher Browning’s Ordinary Men, the discussion explores how middle-aged, non-ideological German reservists became mass shooters—not primarily because of fanaticism, but because of conformity, fear, propaganda, and social pressure. The conversation moves beyond gas chambers to the psychology of genocide, asking how “normal” people participate in extraordinary evil.

The episode also examines the roots of antisemitism, conspiracy thinking, and scapegoating—patterns that continue to resurface in modern political discourse. Pileggi offers a nuanced perspective on Jewish-Christian relations, contemporary Israel, and the responsibility Christians bear in resisting dehumanization and ideological hatred.

This episode challenges listeners not merely to remember history—but to act wisely in the present so that its darkest chapters are not repeated.

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Chapters:

00:00 The Impact of Historical Memory 12:04 The Holocaust: Lessons for Today 18:20 Ordinary Men: The Psychology of Perpetrators 28:54 The Psychological Impact of War and Choices 35:30 Racial Nationalism and Its Consequences 40:34 The Role of Antisemitism in Nazi Propaganda 46:28 The Dangers of Dehumanization 53:19 Critiquing Israel and Supporting Jewish People

Antisemitism and the Holocaust: Or, How Normal People Become Killers (David Pileggi) Ep. #242

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