Fat Joe and Jadakiss are joined by hip hop producer legend of legends Pete Rock. The iconic beat maker tells Joe and Jada about his falling out with former group mate CL Smooth, their legendary "They Reminisce Over You (T.R.O.Y.)" song, the story behind producing "The World Is Yours" for Nas on his incomparable 1994 debut 'Illmatic,' the Dr. Dre and DJ Premier beats he wishes he had made, his top five producers that rap, the call he got that led to him producing "Down With The King" for Run-DMC, and how he heard 50 Cent's "How To Rob" before the rest of the world did. They also debate whether Ice-T or KRS-One can claim to be the first gangsta rapper, if Nas' "Ether" diss for Jay-Z is the hottest beef record of all time, and what the pioneers need to do to help protect the culture.

5:00 - Heavy D's influence

8:00 - Split with CL Smooth

13:30 - "They Reminisce Over You (T.R.O.Y.)"

20:00 - Run-DMC

23:00 - Producing "The World Is Yours" for Nas

32:30 - Why MC Shan was dissing him

39:30 - Jada fans out over "Don't Curse"

47:00 - Top 5 producers that rap

49:30 - Knicks & Giannis talk

1:00:00 - Fat Joe & his neighborhood Hermes bum

1:10:00 - Styles P's "Gangster, Gangster" feat. Jada & Sheek Louch

1:15:30 - Beats Pete Rock wishes he made

1:18:30 - Hottest beef records & first gangsta rapper

1:28:00 - Hip hop pioneers need to step up

1:31:30 - Favorite instruments to sample

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