16 Sep 2025
2h 31m

#827: Pablos Holman — One of The Scariest Hackers I’ve Ever Met

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The Tim Ferriss Show

In this episode of The Tim Ferriss Show, Tim interviews Pablos Holman, a hacker, inventor, and author, exploring his unconventional background, from growing up with one of the first Apple II computers in Alaska to his work at Blue Origin and Intellectual Ventures Lab. They delve into the mindset of a hacker, contrasting it with conventional approaches to technology, and discuss the importance of inventors, drawing parallels between skateboarding innovators like Rodney Mullen and computer hackers. The conversation touches on the marketplace for zero-day exploits, geopolitical implications of technology, the role of hyperscalers in resurrecting nuclear energy, and the need for the US to prioritize energy independence. Holman shares his investment philosophy focused on deep tech, emphasizing the significance of solving fundamental problems like energy before scaling less critical solutions. The discussion also covers the importance of community, the value of a multidisciplinary approach, and the need for a shift in mindset to build a better future.

Outlines

Part 1: Introduction to Pablos Holman

Part 2: Hacking and Security

Part 3: Geopolitics, Energy, and Deep Tech

Part 4: Personal Insights and Philosophy

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