Creators on Creators: Cleo Abram x Johnny Harris

This interview podcast features Johnny Harris and Cleo Abram, independent video journalists, discussing the changing media landscape and their experiences transitioning from traditional media (like Vox) to independent creator-led businesses. The conversation explores the challenges and opportunities of independent journalism, including ethical considerations, monetization strategies, and the impact of social media on news consumption. Abram highlights the "barbell" effect in the media industry, with large subscription-based outlets and smaller independent creators thriving while mid-sized organizations struggle. Harris describes his company, By Harris, which provides support and resources to independent journalists, allowing them to maintain editorial control while mitigating the risks of solo entrepreneurship. The discussion concludes with advice for aspiring journalists, emphasizing the importance of developing hard skills and adapting to the evolving media ecosystem.